So I've been hearing a lot lately about Muslim countries being united and Mashallah, a muslim country being united is a great thing.
But then, I see what the people in those countries are doing.
Burning innocent shopkeepers' shops?
Stealing whatever you feel like? I didn't know t.v.'s are part of a revolution.
Beating other muslims? Their animals that had nothing to do with anything?
Please don't pretend there was a Jihad called for.
"Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais:
While I was going to help this man ('Ali Ibn Abi Talib), Abu Bakr met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I am going to help that person." He said, "Go back for I have heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the Hell-fire.' I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! It is all right for the murderer but what about the murdered one?' Allah's Apostle replied, "He surely had the intention to kill his companion." [Al-Bukhari]
When I think of a united country, I think of Muslim helping Muslim, Muslim defending Muslim. Acting upon the shariah, because anyone who follows any other government is in the wrong. I ask any of you to find where in the time of Prophet Muhammed Sallallahu Alayhi Wassallam, people PROTESTED against THEIR LEADER.
" Ibn Umar RadiAllahu Anhu narrated: the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said: " A muslim has to listen and obey (the order of his Muslim ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as he does not order to commit a sin. If he does he should neither listen nor obey." [Sahih Muslim]
"Umm Salamah RadiAllahu Anham the wife of the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi wasallam narrated that the Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi wasallam said: You will be ruled by rulers of who you will like something and hate something. He who hates their wrongdoing, he would be safe, and he who denies; would be safe; but (woe to) whom agrees with them and follows" They Said: "O Messenger of Allah! Shall we fight them?" He said: "No, as long as they perform Salat." [Muslim]
Subhanallah, shaitaan will make you think you are all on the same page, fighting for the same thing, when in reality he has just caused you to sin, and corrupt your country worse than it was before. You've ruined whole families' financial situation, beat up their sons and brothers.
I do not support any government that is not Shariah, but don't kid yourselves that you are united.
I know, you all probably think I'm just full of it and telling a bunch of lies.
But when you take someone as a HERO who BURNED THEMSELVES ALIVE...well. There you go, you've been duped by Shaitaan.
"Hear & obey (the leader) even if he takes your money and whips your back."
May Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala protect the innocent Mu'mineen of those countries, and all over the world, including myself. Ameen!
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Salam alaykum sister. When your leader is evil and puts Israel before his own kind and takes all the money and leaves his people to live on less than 2 dollars a day while he is worth 50 billion or more. Then yeah I think the people have the right.
Most of the protesters have been peaceful. It's the pro Mubarak thugs causing all the violence.
and I don't agree with the people setting themselves on fire but maybe they thought it was the only way to bring an end to their oppression? Allah Alim
@Shy Arab Girl : Walaikum salaam, they don't have the right at all because protesting is not from the sunnah. And like the hadith from sahih muslim sates "Hear & obey (the leader) even if he takes your money and whips your back." So it doesn't matter for that either.
I sympathize for them though, and I'm not a supporter for any of the governments like I've said, but no matter what happens if their actions are condemned then nothing makes it right. Even if we 'feel' like it.
Assalamu Aleykum,
In this hadith, our beloved Prophet Muhammed (SAWW) talks about the muslim leaders, who rule according to the Shariah.Mubarak is not such a muslim leader, so this hadith doesn't apply to him.I agree with Shy Arab Girl, it's the "proMubaraks" who steal and beat.
Yet I believe Jihad is the way, not protests, but people have a lack of Imaan.May ALLAH SWT guide all the muslims.Ameen.
@Um Zakarya: This wasn't only about whats going on in Egypt, but don't forget the president is considered a muslim. Those calling him a kaffir are sinning. Though I am not saying he is a good one, allahu alim. So for one to fight against him, well...I already stated it in the hadith. If two muslims fight and kill each other, or only one kills the other, it is hell for them.
dear sister,
Don't forget that ALLAH SWT says in the Quran that the governors who don't rule according to the Shariah are wether major sinners or Kuffar/Mushrikeen.So the two interpretations exist.He is also taking non muslims as allies against the muslims and the one who lives a like a people and take the same people as ally becomes a part of this people.Allahu Alim.
The price of blood also exists.I believe Mubarak has executed a lot of muslims, not directly tho.SO in Islam, if you kill, then you deserve to be killed as well.So Mubarak situation is aslightly different than 2 muslims fighting each other for mere reasons.This is my opinion anyway.
And ALLAH knows best.
Leaders who don't rule under Shariah are not Muslim leaders but leaders who happen to be Muslim. Theres a difference. Anti-Mubarak protestors were peaceful. Not a single one of them was resorting to violence, it is the pro-mubarak protestors that came with knives and bats because they are thugs that he rented to side with him. I am egyptian so I know how the game works over there. The innocent Egyptians should not be spoken to as if they are the ones causing the trouble. They are just asking for a dignified life.
@Um Zakarya: I agree with the blood price, however for that he has to go to court, a random muslim cannot just take things into their own hands.
Also, the hadith about 2 muslims refers to what the people "in the street" are doing to each other.
Sarah Bint Muhammad: You are wrong on that regard. They still considered to be muslims. Obviously in the hadith which is talking about UNFAIRLY whipping a muslim's back...then that is not from the shariah. However, you still have to follow them.
And its very easy to say that those who are looting and burning are ONLY the "pro-mubarak" thugs.
I was not only speaking to Egyptians, either. But i do not care who I am speaking to, what Prophet Muhammed sallahu Alayhi Wasallam says is what matters, not the RACE.
*still considered to be muslim rulers that have to be obeyed, even if they are not ruling by Shariah.
I Get what everyone is saying, According the the sunnah AL is right, unless you see blatant kufr (From what Allah and is messenger salallahu alayhi wa salaam said was kufr) then it's haram to fight against them because evil doing won't be demolished by more evil doing.
I Also see why the egyptians are in the position they're in, they're tired. Maybe they SHOULD have made more du'a, egypt isn't the most religious country (I lived there). but what's done is done, All we can do is make du'a that it ends soon, and that the innocent people killed, and got their homes RUINED from this may be blessed to rebuild. it's all in Allah's hands/
Allahhafiz!
Sister,
I totaly agree with Sarah Bint Muhammad.
For mt Mubarak and co are Taghut and are no legit leaders.
And I keep on saying that it's the pros Mubarak who are doing the stealing , beating, shooting....in order to destabilise the prtotesters and make them step back.
But I do agree with you about the court.He should be judged by an islamic court.
We just can't agree on everything but it's always nice to be able to share views with lovely sisters :)
@Life's Balance Beam: Thanks for the comment girl. We definitely need to pray for them. I wonder why Muslims are jumping all over Egypt when the same thing started in Tunisia. I guess its the different levels of media outlet they are getting and also it is a bigger country.
@Um Zakarya: Well I guess we can agree to disagree lol. Khair Inshallah.
Assalaamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakatuh.......LOL.....CAN ANYONE SAY SUBHAN'ALLAAH....'cause I can. I am NOT even getting ready to jump into this one, even though I could, maybe even should, but I'm not. Why do your posts have to stir up so much debate, AlabasterMuslim, LOL JK? Keep 'em comin' sweetie. I love 'em, Masha'Allaah! I just am too lazy to provide explanation (not saying I have the answers to everything 'cause believe me, I don't). Let us all just beware of speaking without knowledge or speaking thinking we have enough knowledge to speak on a subject when Allaah knows best. We know nothing. As far as agreeing to disagree, lol, that's funny. Let us not be ignorant of the truth though, and let us accept the truth whether that means we are indeed wrong or whatever the case may be. Let us agree on that which is correct. Sometimes disagreeing is not acceptable, but those disagreements are in fact just people following their own desires and not accepting the truth & they disguise it as their opinions and claim they just disagree. Yeah, they disagree alright, they are being arrogant and not accepting the truth. Beware of this, Yaa Ibad! That is speaking to everyone. And if you really wanna know the real deal regarding following leaders and the like, check out Sharh-us-Sunnah of Imaam Al-Barbaharee Rahimahullaah (Explanation of the Creed). This is such a controversial topic and one of debate (hint hint) and one in which there are disagreements, some following and knowing the truth...and some not, so much so that the Imaam had to make it part of his book explaining the Islamic Creed. So this is not even really a discussion that we should be debating about, if it is a debate. Just really be careful, Subhan'Allaah.
Assalaam Alaikum,
I will have to agree with sister Umm Hanifah. My prayers are for the well being of the Egyptian people and their safety, as well as for them to be able to gain their due rights in the most peaceful and respectful manner (as was outlined in the Sunnah). When it comes to matters of revolt and rebellion however, we must remember the words of the Prophet (sallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam) as well as those who are well versed in these matters.
I was just reading in depth about Ibn Taymiyyah's fatawa against the Mongols (during the Mamluk war) despite their being Muslim due to their wishes to implement laws that were blatantly contrary to Shari'ah.
Ultimately, we need to be extremely careful in what we say about such delicate matters. And may Allah guide us all, Ameen.
Aleykum Assalam Umm Hanifa,
I guess your comment was in part for me.I'm sorry if I don't follow leaders who are not islamic, and whom I considered as Taghut.And I support the brothers who fight against them and their allies Israhell,US, Europe.....I do believe Jihad is compulsory.And ALLAH SWT knows best.
@AlabasterMuslim,
I definitely agree to disagree!lol
MashAllah, sister. There are very few of us that will stand up and say that this is not from the sunnah. When we do we get attacked. We are told we don't know what its like and that its easy for us to say it when its not happening to us. But we can't forget that when the Prophet saws was shunned in Mecca, along with his followers, they did not protest, they did not fight the rulers of the time. They waited patiently. If He, saws can do it, then so can we.
Another thing that bothers me about the protests is that the sisters are out there among the men doing the same thing. Where are their brothers, fathers and husbands? Letting their sisters, wives and daughters go out and mix with non related men.
Again, you are brave and I thank you for posting this.
perhaps, it is better to look forward, while learning lessons from the past. we, as muslims, must always live in a state of islam. To rule by laws other than those of islam, when muslims are in power, is unthinkable.
you might want to check out this news article. it looks at things from a historical perspective...
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article252786.ece
i agree with everything umm hanifah said
Assalaamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakatuh.
Mainly @Um Zakarya: Yes, you guess the comment was in part for you. It was in part for you...it was for everyone involved in the discussion as a reminder, so since you were part of the discussion, yes, it was in part for you.
Don't take it the wrong way, sister. I don't know why you are even telling me sorry for not following leaders that are not Islamic. Nobody said you were supposed to follow leaders that are not Islamic. I did not say that. As a matter of fact, I didn't say anything about that. Whether the leaders are Islamic or not, you don't fight against them and rebel, but that does not mean you have to follow them. Also, you obey them only in that which is in obedience to the Creator, Allaah. There is no obedience to the creation in disobedience to the Creator. As far as supporting the brothers who fight against them & their allies, you have to ask yourself, "What kind of fighting is this? If it is not being done in accordance with Quran and Sunnah then I should not be supporthing this. What are their intentions behind this fighting?" I'm not saying that their fighting is right or wrong, but if it is not being done for the right reasons or being done in the right way or being done in accordance with what has been taught/brought from Quran and Sunnah, then it is not worth supporting. Also, where is your proof or daleel that Jihad is COMPULSORY? Jihad is a very important aspect of Islam, no doubt. And when I say Jihad, I mean the proper Jihad...the type of Jihad that the Prophet Sallallaahu Alayhi wa Sallaam came with. The following is quoted from Hadith #29 in An-Nawawi's 40 Ahadith: Then he said: " Shall I not tell you of the peak of the matter, its pillar, and its topmost part?" I said: "Yes, O Messenger of Allah." He said: "The peak of the matter is Islam; the pillar is prayer; and its topmost part is jihad."
So we see that Jihad is the topmost part of Islam. And tell me now, what kind of "Jihad" are the people fighting nowadays. True Jihad is fighting in the cause of Allaah, not rebellion. Subhan'Allaah, we must educate ourselves! And yes, Allaah Azza wa Jal knows best! I'm going to post the daleel in a separate comment for how to deal with the rulers/leaders, Insha'Allaah.
Salaams. The following are points from "Explanation of the Creed" by Imaam Al-Barbahaaree (Rahimahullaah. May Allaah reward him immensely for what he has benefitted the Muslims with, Aameen!
Point #29: To hear & obey the rulers in that which Allaah loves and is pleased with. Whoever becomes Khaleefah through the consensus of the people and their being pleased with him, then he is the 'Chief of the Believers' (Ameerul-Mumineen).
Point #30: It is then not permissible for anyone to spend a single night thinking that he has no Imaam over him whether he be righteous or wicked.
Point #31: The Hajj & Jihad are to be carried out under his leadership. Jumu'ah Prayer behind them (i.e. the wicked rulers) is allowed and after it six rak'ahs should be prayed, splitting it into sets of two rak'ahs. This is the saying of Ahmad ibn Hanbal.
Point #33: Whoever rebels against a Muslim ruler is one of the Khawaarij, has caused dissent within the Muslims and has contradicted the narrations and dies a death of the days of ignorance (Jaahiliyyah).
Point #34: It is not permissible to fight the ruler nor to rebel against him even if he oppresses. This is due to the saying of the Messenger of Allaah to Abu Dharr al-Ghifaaree, "Have patience even if he is an Abyssinian slave" and his Sallallaahu Alayhi wa Sallam saying to the Ansaar, "Have patience until you meet me at the Pool." There is no fighting against the ruler in the Sunnah. It causes destruction of the Religion and the worldy affairs.
Point #36: Know that there is no obedience to any human in disobedience to Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic.
Okay, well, those are some points from the book that I anticipate will be of some benefit to all of us. Some of the points have notes that provide daleel, but the notes are extensive so I would recommend getting the book if you don't have it. However, I am going to include the notes for Point #34, as it seems to be extremely important considering what we have previously discussed. Here it goes and all of this stuff I have literally typed up exactly as is from the book sitting right here on my table.
3. Hudaifah, radiallaahu 'anhu, reports in a longer hadeeth that the Messenger of Allaah Sallallaahu Alayhi wa Sallaam said, "There will come leaders who will not follow my guidance and will not follow my Sunnah. There will be amongst them men who will have the hearts of devils in the bodies of humans." He (Hudaifah) asked, "What shall I do O Messenger of Allaah if I reach that?" He replied, "You should hear and obey the ruler even if he flogs your back and takes your wealth, then still hear and obey." Reported by Muslim (Eng. trans. 3/1029/no.4554).
Al-Khallaal reports in as-Sunnah (no.87) that Abu Bakr related to us, saying, "I heard Abu 'Abdullaah (Imaam Ahmad) ordering that bloodshed be avoided and he strongly forbade rebellion."
That is the end of that specific note.
yea meee too
@umm hanifa : Ok you know i love you lol thanks for all your comments! I'm replying late so sorry about that but just want to let you know I loved reading them, i benefited from them, and *well* you of course proved everyone wrong hehe.
@Jamilah: Jazackallahu Khairn sister and yeah, I know there AREN'T many people who are posting this, which is really the whole reason that I did. I am upset to see how many people are supporting the haraam and they themselves are rebelling, Ya Allah! If only they really knew.
@J.L. Federle: Asalaamu Alaikum! I agree, its horrible for a Muslim to rule by anything other than shariah. argh! lol
And the link you posted is broken.
The Prophet (SAW) continued to say : 'By Allah you have to enjoin good (Maroof) and forbid evil (Munkar), and hold against the hand of the unjust ruler (Zalim), and force him on the truth strongly, or you have to limit him to the truth'. By this evidence, which is the hadith commenting on the verse, Allah (SWT) has prohibited us from remaining silent against the evil (Munkar), and He commanded us to remove it. Allah (SWT) commanded the Muslims to enjoin Maroof and deny Munkar, and made it a duty upon them to do so. Allah (SWT) said; 'Let it be from among you a group who call to the good, enjoin Maroof and deny Munkar'. Allah (SWT) also said: 'You have been the best nation (Ummah) brought to the people, because you enjoin Maroof and deny Munkar'. [Musnad of Ahmad]
Is going out in Demonstrations/Protests and Revolutions from the Methodology of the People of the Sunnah and Jama'ah? By Shaikh Rabee' bin Hadee al-Madkhalee (hafidhahullaah)
Question: Does going out in demonstrations and starting revolutions - as well as raising the youth upon that - from the methodology of the people of the Sunnah and Jama'ah or not? Whether that is done inside the lands of the Muslims or outside, and what is your advise to those who established this as way of Da'wah/Call to Allaah?
Answer by Shaikh Rabee' bin Hadee al-Madkhalee (hafidhahullaah)
This is from the methodology of Marx and Lenin and the likes of them. And it is not from the methodology of Islam. Revolutions, spilling of the blood, Fitan/trials and tribulations, causing problems and the methodology of Marx and Lenin are all attached by the Ikhwanul Muslimeen "Muslim Brotherhood" to the methodology of the Khawaarij, and they call it "Islam."
That's their way, just like [the false claims of] "Islamic" Music, "Islamic" Socialism, "Islamic" Democracy and "Islamic" dancing.
All of the misguidances is brought by them from the east and the west, from past and present, and cloaked with the cloak of "Islam." May Allaah make Islam innocent from all of these ways.
Allaah says (what means): Invite (mankind, O Muhammad) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur`an) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. (an-Nahl, ayah 125)
Jihaad has its chapters and conditions, and none of these Marxist ways that they throw the cloak/cover of Islam upon. They took revolutionary ways and socialism from Marx and Lenin.
They took democracy from America, and said, "we fight America," while they are marketing the American ideology. By Allaah, they are marketing it.
Establishing multi-party systems, changing leadership every so often, elections, and demonstrating are all American ideologies. America pays billions of dollars to spread it all over the world, and take over/conquer other nations with it.
They [Ikhwanul Muslimeen] are from the greatest servants/agents to America and marketers of such ideology. And they say about other people: "they are agents for America!"
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